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	<title>Comments on: Photophlow Round Two, Who&#8217;s With Me?</title>
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	<description>A Photography Resource for the Aspiring Hobbyist</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Schedule for Photophlow Gatherings</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-36163</link>
		<dc:creator>Schedule for Photophlow Gatherings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] run things the same as the last session, with the voting and such. I think that worked out well, and it puts the photo selection in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: libeco</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35616</link>
		<dc:creator>libeco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched the the process of picking pictures in photophlow for a while. I must say the idea of the webite is good, but the was it's worked out is just terrible (is it still in beta?). First of all the room never gets loaded in both Maxthon (IE7) and Opera. I don't like it if a website forces me to use firefox. When the website is loaded the first thing I noticed are the sounds. I really don't like sounds so I start looking for a button, which really took me a while to find.

Next Firefox tells me there's an enormous amount of CSS errors (over 100). I look around a little and suddenly notice that when I browse through pictures, the whole room sees it. And I think here is the biggest problem: there's no clear intuitive way of knowing how everything works. I think the website would be much better of using some standards and not self invented things. For instance, that button to send a message, why design your own when it's not clear what it does?

Than my next problem occured, while clicking the view on flickr button suddenly in the newly opened tab I'm autoscrolled to the bottom, nothing helps, it keeps autoscrolling back down. Only after clicking in the textfield of the initial tab everything stopped autoscrolling.

Don't get me wrong, I know how hard it is to create a design that works for the user, I learn about it at school and see how much things can go wrong. I hope I'm not offending somebody here, but that's just the way I feel about photophlow right now. Perhaps next time I'll try again and get more used to everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the the process of picking pictures in photophlow for a while. I must say the idea of the webite is good, but the was it&#8217;s worked out is just terrible (is it still in beta?). First of all the room never gets loaded in both Maxthon (IE7) and Opera. I don&#8217;t like it if a website forces me to use firefox. When the website is loaded the first thing I noticed are the sounds. I really don&#8217;t like sounds so I start looking for a button, which really took me a while to find.</p>
<p>Next Firefox tells me there&#8217;s an enormous amount of CSS errors (over 100). I look around a little and suddenly notice that when I browse through pictures, the whole room sees it. And I think here is the biggest problem: there&#8217;s no clear intuitive way of knowing how everything works. I think the website would be much better of using some standards and not self invented things. For instance, that button to send a message, why design your own when it&#8217;s not clear what it does?</p>
<p>Than my next problem occured, while clicking the view on flickr button suddenly in the newly opened tab I&#8217;m autoscrolled to the bottom, nothing helps, it keeps autoscrolling back down. Only after clicking in the textfield of the initial tab everything stopped autoscrolling.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I know how hard it is to create a design that works for the user, I learn about it at school and see how much things can go wrong. I hope I&#8217;m not offending somebody here, but that&#8217;s just the way I feel about photophlow right now. Perhaps next time I&#8217;ll try again and get more used to everything.</p>
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		<title>By: the_wolf_brigade</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35578</link>
		<dc:creator>the_wolf_brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this works out to be about 3am in the morning for Aussies...I guess I'll have to see how I feel :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this works out to be about 3am in the morning for Aussies&#8230;I guess I&#8217;ll have to see how I feel <img src='http://blog.epicedits.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: the_wolf_brigade</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35576</link>
		<dc:creator>the_wolf_brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Brian here. It's easy to say "this sucks" but that too does not help said person improve, even pared with a reason. Gentle persuasion is often a better method. eg. "Hey, while this works, why not try such and such?" 

For me there is nothing worse than hearing/reading a negative put down followed by critique. If it suxs, why offer reason for improvement? However, if the person critiquing my photo implies that I have potential, if only I had tried something different, I'm much more prepared to listen and take on board the advice. 

After all, a structured, honest, positive critique means much more to me in terms of improving my methods than a dis on my creative output ever will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Brian here. It&#8217;s easy to say &#8220;this sucks&#8221; but that too does not help said person improve, even pared with a reason. Gentle persuasion is often a better method. eg. &#8220;Hey, while this works, why not try such and such?&#8221; </p>
<p>For me there is nothing worse than hearing/reading a negative put down followed by critique. If it suxs, why offer reason for improvement? However, if the person critiquing my photo implies that I have potential, if only I had tried something different, I&#8217;m much more prepared to listen and take on board the advice. </p>
<p>After all, a structured, honest, positive critique means much more to me in terms of improving my methods than a dis on my creative output ever will.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Auer</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35502</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Auer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, there's nothing easier than offering negative criticism on a photo, is there?  Besides, nobody said anything about mutual back-patting, I'm just asking that people have some self control and limit their rudeness.  If you can't figure out how to critique a photo without pissing people off and coming off as a total idiot, then you'd be in a better position to leave your mouth shut.  Critique consists of two main items: things done well and areas for improvement.  And the phrase "this sucks" usually isn't necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, there&#8217;s nothing easier than offering negative criticism on a photo, is there?  Besides, nobody said anything about mutual back-patting, I&#8217;m just asking that people have some self control and limit their rudeness.  If you can&#8217;t figure out how to critique a photo without pissing people off and coming off as a total idiot, then you&#8217;d be in a better position to leave your mouth shut.  Critique consists of two main items: things done well and areas for improvement.  And the phrase &#8220;this sucks&#8221; usually isn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35438</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be nice?  What if the photo sucks?

This reeks of the mutual backpatting social mores that are so endemic on Flickr.  If you don't like something, say so, FFS! Sure, it's nice to get comments saying how wonderful a photo is, or how pretty the clouds/bokeh/models/lines/foo are, but it doesn't actually help anyone become a better photographer, IMHO.  I'd rather have "this sucks because of XYZ" comments. They actually have some potential to help me improve my craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be nice?  What if the photo sucks?</p>
<p>This reeks of the mutual backpatting social mores that are so endemic on Flickr.  If you don&#8217;t like something, say so, FFS! Sure, it&#8217;s nice to get comments saying how wonderful a photo is, or how pretty the clouds/bokeh/models/lines/foo are, but it doesn&#8217;t actually help anyone become a better photographer, IMHO.  I&#8217;d rather have &#8220;this sucks because of XYZ&#8221; comments. They actually have some potential to help me improve my craft.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35338</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Javi's time conversion is right I'll try and make it at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Javi&#8217;s time conversion is right I&#8217;ll try and make it at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: laanba</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35302</link>
		<dc:creator>laanba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to have to miss this go round.  Going to see Jersey Boys with my aunt.  You guys have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to miss this go round.  Going to see Jersey Boys with my aunt.  You guys have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Auer</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35278</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Auer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It shouldn't be the middle of the night -- most of Europe is around 8-10 hours ahead.  Last time was very late for the Europeans -- we started at 7PM here, which was very early morning out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shouldn&#8217;t be the middle of the night &#8212; most of Europe is around 8-10 hours ahead.  Last time was very late for the Europeans &#8212; we started at 7PM here, which was very early morning out there.</p>
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		<title>By: CyberCarsten</title>
		<link>http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/01/18/photophlow-round-two-whos-with-me/#comment-35269</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberCarsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that's in the middle of the night in Europe? Have fun, i am afraid without me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s in the middle of the night in Europe? Have fun, i am afraid without me.</p>
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